Exposed Bone Under Ulcer?38 messages in this subject.
|Wow....4 days ago thought i had a canker sore on my gum..went to put origel and felt sharp bone looked in mirroe and was shocked to see bone sticking out along with tori in both sides of lower jaw found it on friday night.went to dentist on monday he said i needed to see oral surgean. They scheduled me four days later and said consultation. I also have high pain threshold and this was cutting my tongue everytime i swalled..just found this website...reached back with my fingernail and broke off 2 pieces of bone...instant relief...bleeding but already feels better|
|kevin 20 May 15|
|OMG. I am so glad I found this site. I too have had many tori bumps in my mouth but recently had to have my wisdom teeth removed (at age 45). I had a tori with a bone exposed that was rubbing against my tongue and very painful. After reading a few of these posts, I reached to the back of my mouth and with my fingernail plucked at the exposed bone and out it came! Immediate relief. Thanks everyone!|
|Patrick F. 10 May 15|
|I've had a small boney bump (torus) for many years on my right jaw under the tongue, with no complications. Recently it seemed to be growing and getting tender. After some routine dental work I noticed the skin on the torus was torn and peeling; it eventually ulcerated and exposed the bone underneath, like a small smooth dome. The pain was terrible. After reading this blog I treated it with acetaminophen and salt-water rinses, which did help the pain for awhile, but the gum would not heal back over the bone; it remained an open sore. My teeth and jaw on that side (both upper and lower) became very tender and sensitive; I could no longer chew on that side of my mouth. When I felt a painful lump on my throat under my chin on the right side, I feared it was becoming infected. I pressed firmly on the gum (very painful) and exposed bone to massage that area, and felt the bone "give" under the pressure. A small domed piece of bone broke away, and the area bled for a bit. The only pain was the pressure from my fingers on the swollen gum tissue. After a day and some salt water rinses, I'm feeling much better. The gum is now healing over the spot where the bone had been exposed, and I no longer need pain meds. The dentist looked at it this morning and said it looks fine, no antibiotics needed. I'm grateful for this blog!|
|Kristie 7 May 15|
|Wow I've been referred to the hospital for this as my dentist was baffled! I've picked at it with my finger and....yaya it came off and instant relief! Thank goodness for the Internet!|
|Donnela 3 April 15|
|Hi All, I think I'm having the same issue. I just got my braces off and have retainers for the top and bottom of my teeth. The top gum started getting sore toward the back molar and now I have a ulcer there. I felt the ulcer with my finger and part of it feels sharp like a bone but it doesn't hurt. I'm wondering if it is bone or just tough tissue. Eitherway it doesn't hurt at the moment and I just started gargling with a mix of water and peroxide to hopefully heal the ulser. I'm hoping it isn't bone coming out because I don't have insurance any more nor money to pay to see a dentist. If it is one of these Tori's I hope it falls out on it's own soon.|
|AJ 31 December 14|
|Ok so I have a bone sticking out and I can move my gum and I'm 11 so will it pass IDK but I have braces and the crown thing they cement to my tooth is next to it so it might be that if it falls out how Long will it take|
|Eva 26 July 14|
|Wow-- it is nice to find people with this same issue. I thought I was alone. I thought my jaw was deteriorating. I thought a lot of things! And the pain was excruciating. My doctor AND my dentist were both stunned when I said I have bone sticking out of my gum. But I pointed it out and sure enough, they believed me then. But- still stumped. I got the first one on my right side and then right across another opened and both had exposed bone. This left still does. No one believed how bad it hurt. I said I have a very high pain tolerance and it hurts more than anything I can remember. So sent to two oral surgeons finally to be told they are tori and since they opened up, this bone will have to die and fall out. Gave a mouth rinse to use twice a day. Also I read to put a dab of sendodyne on it and it actually does help a bit. Then one night finally the left side felt wiggly. With a little prodding I could feel it cracking off and out it tumbled. Pain gone. Just like that. Skin healed right over. Now all I feel is an indent covered by skin. So, hoping the other side follows suit and does the same because until it gets good and ready and finally cracks off it hurts like a mother bear!!|
|Jayne 19 July 14|
|glad I found this site. Im having same problem with hard bone sticking through my gums. Thought I was losing it. Went to the dentist and they did exrays and said everything was fine. I now have an appointment with an oral surgeon but I think I will cancel that and wait for the bone to work its way out. Its scary to think about pulling the bones out of my gums, I hope it works its way out by itself. Yikes!|
|tm 15 July 14|
|I had gall bladder surgery recently. They intubated me. When I woke up from the procedure, I had a very sore throat for 3 weeks, hoarse voice, green coming out of my sinuses and a sore in my mouth on my lower right jaw. I went to see the dentist 2 days after surgery about the sore but she didn't even look at it. I was told to rinse with salt water and sent on my way. A week later, I had a swelling on my neck under my jaw where the pain and sore was on the inside. I went to the doctor who told me it was normal after an intubation. The pain meds for my gall bladder ended so I was in a lot of pain. A friend suggested baking soda rinses and that worked a lot better than the salt for me. I went back to the dentist 12 days after my first dental visit. This time she looked at the sore and took pictures. I too have tori and the dentist felt that they nicked at least 3 parts of my tori on my lower jaw during surgery intubation. I was told nature would have to heal it and was sent on my way. I felt that I had infection since I still had the swelling on the outside of my jaw but since the dentist did not detect infection when she poked inside the jaw, I was not given any antibiotics. I started taking 2 mL Pau D'Arco twice a day. After several days of that, the swelling improved. 35 days after the gall bladder surgery, I pulled a sharp bone that had worked it's way out of my jaw. I had come across this website prior so I was not afraid. It was like pulling a baby tooth out. Wow, the pain is almost gone now and I went from 2 extra strength tylenol, 3 times a day to 1 once a day. What a difference now the bone is out. I think they scraped my tori causing the open sores and broke off some of my tori when they intubated me. The surgeon's reaction - "I don't know what tori is". I felt my medical and dental care was very poor but this website gave me the hope and courage I needed during a very difficult time. Over a month of a swelling throbbing jaw on top of recovery, certainly made life miserable for a while. Thanks to everyone for posting. Stay strong, pray to the Lord, and let nature take it's course. I could not chew on that side for a month and thought I was going to lose all my bottom teeth on the right side. What a relief!|
|Maureen July 5 2014 5 July 14|
|Soon to be 50 yo female. I'm so excited to have found all of your posts this morning! Thanks for sharing. I developed a painful ulcer on the tori that is located on the roof of my mouth a couple of years ago. Was seen by my dentist (he had no idea what it was) and an oral surgeon (he wanted to 'knock' off the tori). Because the skin is so thin on the roof of the mouth and I could imagine the healing process would be long and painful, I opted to forego surgery and 'wait and see' which I'm glad I did. Just like most of you, a bone worked it's way out...and taa'daa! It felt so much better, healed up and all was right in the world again. Problem now is that its happening again. What's a tad irritating is that I've yet to speak with a professional who has heard of this and when I tell them that I've flicked off a piece of bone from the inside of my mouth, they look at me like I'm nuts?!? (K, I'm a little nuts, but not a liar) thank you all so much for sharing your stories.|
|audrey 11 June 14|
|I wanted to thank everyone for posting their experiences as it gave me hope. Last month I had a temporary cap placed and my tori was somehow scratched and a jagged and painful piece of bone poked through my gums. It was more painful than surgeries I've recovered from. It was even growing in length over the last few weeks and I thought it was perhaps not going to get better on its own. I have been living on ibuprophen and salt water rinses (the salt water did help). Anyway, I was poking around back there with my finger nail, I was noticing that the jagged bone was even deeper in depth than it had been, and next thing I knew, the bloody chunk of bone broke off just as other people posting here had mentioned. It felt better immediately (again, just as others claimed it could). When I feel in the back of my mouth with my tongue, it seems like the gum somehow is covering the indentation area where this bone came out of. All I feel right now is a dull ache and I am so thankful that the sharp and painful chuck of jagged bone is out of there. Thank you to everyone that posted their experiences. I know that we have to take things we read on the internet with caution, but as I mentioned in my opening, reading the posts gave me hope that my problem could go away (even though I was doubtful at times). Thank you to those that shared (and I'm so happy that I feel better).|
|Kris 12 May 14|
|I just got home from having my #31 extracted. I had started have a dull toothache about 2 weeks ago. Finally enough was enough. I went to an EmediDent were the said I had a fractured tooth and did a root canal and a crown. About a day and a half later a bone spur came Loose right under where they did the root canal. Now I had had spurs on the past but none that hurt this bad! I think the spur was the problem all the time and not a bad tooth! The emergency dental office took advantage if me! Needless to say I went to an Endodontic Specialist where they did a "Cone Beam X Ray" that does a 3D X-ray. This showed that my tooth was fractured because of the root canal and had to be pulled! Long 3 days and very painful too! I have Mandibular Tori's on both sides of my lower gums and will always give me problems! These spurs are caused by tooth extractions. #17, #30 and now #31. I'm in deep crap! More spurs and excruciating pain to come for years and years I'm afraid!|
|Ron 19 February 14|
|Blissfully unique: I had a similar somewhat similar situation. First my left mandibular tori got sore & the oral surgeon removed a tiny sliver of bone. I was good for about 5-6 weeks, then the right tori got sore and ulcerated on the underside. All this started this past June & I've been through 6 rounds of antibiotics since then, and 2 root canals. The oral surgeon decided we should remove the tori altogether & I had the surgery today. He said he removed lots of dead & dying bone & he's very confident the tori were the problem and that we've resolved the problem. Hope this is of some help to you?|
|JanC1955 11 December 13|
|Hi guys, I don't know of this would help any of you at all, but I did get a semi-helpful explanation from an oral surgeon I recently saw. I have the same thing happening to me for the 2nd time in just a few months. Here's a quick rundown of my case: one night I scratched the back of my right side of my mandibular tori with a pill that I had to chew & within a day or two I had unbearable mouth pain on my entire right side of my mouth, jaw & face. It was so bad that I went to the emergency room where they recommended a dentist & gave me an rx for pain meds & an antibiotic. At this point there was only a minor scratch & no one thought anything of it. They didn't think that little scratch could possibly be the culprit. So, couple of days later the scratch had kind of healed, but a pretty sizeable bump had developed in the same area. A couple of days later it poked through the skin & then eventually pieces of bone started coming out. So here's the oral surgeon's explanation: the gum tissue over tori is super thin & can easily be cut straight down to the bone & once that bone is exposed to air, it immediately starts to die. As the bone dies, the ulceration can become irritated & open a bit more. Over time the bone in that area will totally die & break off. The gum tissue will heal & push the bone pieces up & out of the skin. |
Now, my only problem with what he said is that he had also told me that this circumstance is fairly rare & should only happen once, maybe twice in a lifetime & this is now the second time in only a few months for me. I also think there is another area that this is starting to happen to , meanwhile I just pulled another piece of bone out of my mouth a few minutes ago. I am so tired of being in pain...
Do any of you know if there is a way to treat this so that you don't have it reoccurring over & over again??
|blissfullyunique 10 December 13|
|Goodness, the story seems so familiar. |
48 yr old male ---- suddenly gets really sore gums ----- eventually, see some bone poking through ------ three weeks later ---- dug a piece of bone out and life feels honkey dorey, again. I had actually scheduled some oral surgery ($1500) to address the problem (Dr. said it's a tori, and needs surgical removal). Now that everything feels fine - I think I'll save my money.
|richard 5 November 13|
|I had a back tooth out and 4 weeks down I had a sore spot hurts like hell to touch and now bone is comeing threw sore has hell what do I do now???? will it quit hurting soon ?????|
|jill webb 7 October 13|
|Hallalujah! I have had a canker sore near my bottom back left molar for about 2 weeks, and it has been PAINFUL! Plus it was weirding me out because it felt like it had gone down to my jawbone. So that when I felt back there, it felt as if I was touching exposed bone. Really kind of scary. Well, I ended up once again doing a search online to see if there was any information I could find. In past I wasn't able to find anything really. I stumbled upon a website that talked about mouth ulcers exposing bone. Reading through it there was talk about how the sore was actually bone protruding and breaking off. Sounded kind of nasty. Read some denistry about this problem. So there I am feeling scared and that miserable pain in my mouth. I kept thinking that when I touched the exposed bone, it had kind of an edge on one side, so maybe it was kind of bone shard. I picked at it and boy it hurt. Then suddenly it gave and I pulled out my fingers which were covered with blood. I went back in and found that the bone shard had flipped up. I got a hold of it and pulled it out. It felt like heaven! The piece I pulled out looked like part of a tooth. It feels incredible now, the pain is almost completely gone. This is the third time something like this has happened. I keep thinking that possibly when I had my wisdom teeth removed years before that there were bone fragments left behind, which over the years migrated, came to the surface to get released. Who knows. Thank you guys for the info. I feel so much better!|
|Dean C 26 September 13|
|So. This is the second time I've had bone spurs poking through. The was so intense this time I went to emergency. They hooked me up with an oral surgeon and it turns out that its one of two things. 1st would be a spur that can be scaled down and the hole sewn up. The other is "Ostionecrosis". You don't want this as it is bone death and I may have to have surgery and reconstruction to remove the dead bone and replace it. I'll find out more on my next appointment in 2 weeks|
|Paul 5 October 12|
I've have several bone spurs in between my bottom teeth. At first they weren't painful. Once they were exposed, they became dry and brittle and I would break them off. I had a wisdom tooth removed and the bone was protruding out. I thought it was part of the tooth still in my jaw. I went back to the dentist and she told me to be tested for Osteoperosis. Then she tried to cover and stitch it up. It didn't work, however, the exposed bone became dry and brittle and I broke it off again and it then healed. Now I have the bone breaking through, however, it's been several weeks and it is ulcerated and not following the same course of recovery as in the passed. It's swollen and my entire jaw in throbbing with severe pain. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's at least a 9 most of the time. I put white Crest toothpaste on it and it feels better for an hour or 2, but for the most part, I'm ready to go to the emergency room for a morphine drip! My friend was recently diagnosed with inoperable oral cancer that started with my same symptoms. It sounds as though doctors have no idea how to diagnose and treat these problems.
I am open for any and all suggestions.
|Katherine 30 September 12|
|I have a dulling pain where I had my wisdom teeth extracted my bottom jaw is killing me. When I look in the mirror I see white poking up thru my healed gums. now reading these post I see that I will have to go back to my dentist.. damn I was in less pain with the wisdom teeth before I got oral surgery. THIS SUCKS!|
|My Mouth Hurts! 17 September 12|
|I have been fighting this problem as well, and it was causing a considerable amount of pain. My dentist first notified me of it, but I'd been having pain for awhile, but had sort of grown used to it too (I have what I consider to be a high threshold for pain, but I would rate these as 6-8 on a scale of 10). I get the idea the spur itself is not causing pain, but the gum tissue where it breaks through can hurt quite a bit, it's sort of like a dog teething but you can't really bite on it and it never ends.|
So my Dentist told me to pick at it with my fingernail, and the back side of a spoon. I was pretty dubious but one decent chunk came out after a week or so of that (maybe 1/4 of a dried pea in size). However, the remainder was stubborn, and I made it so sore digging at it I had to leave it alone for a few weeks, meanwhile using rum as a numbing agent, my only consolation. I was surprised one day when I was chewing on a mouthful of VERY tough and chewy bread, it was so tough and old to eat I finally took it out of my mouth and let my dog have it instead. I took a nap and when I woke up it was like the light switch had been turned off, and the pain was gone! The relief was immense and immediate.
The gum healed within a short time afterwards.
I have now had this happen once again now, in the same area but a little bit farther over (it felt like a mountain ridge heading towards where the first one was). This time, I have been able to break it off with my fingers after 3 or 4 weeks of picking at it and rum, and again, the relief was pretty much immediate (although not so dramatic, perhaps I was expecting it this time).
I feel much better knowing these can be broke off, as I heard a horror story of one woman that had oral surgery 4 times over a decade with these, and it practically ruined her life. There was a period in the first month or so I was ready for the surgery option no matter what the cost if this didn't resolve pretty soon, so I'm glad it did, I don't really want to start getting surgery in my mouth and I can see how that could quickly go bad, too.
|Don Patient 16 July 12|
|I dig the protuding bone out with a kitchen knife. Then the skin heals over and I feel just fine|
|Chuck Hays 5 June 12|
|Boris, I would like to know your email to exchange mails with you, as I may have some thing of the same type. I am 40 years old male of Asian origin and I have a bone growth under my left jaw inside mouth. The dentist took x-ray and said, its not a wisdom teeth. The dentist has now referred me to a Maxolifficial surgon. the area don't pain, but if I press had it bleeds little bit. Hope to get some reply from you.|
|Pradeep 2 April 12|
|I have had bone spurs growing through the inside of my lower jaw three times in my life so far. The first time was almost 30 years ago, I went to the dentist and he told me it was the root of a wisdom tooth breaking through. After removing the wisdom tooth the bone spur was still there and it hurt worse than before. At least he gave me codeine for the pain. About three to four weeks later the bone spur fell out on its own and less than a week after that the pain was gone. Cost: $1200. The second time was almost 20 years ago, I went to my dentist and he sent me to an oral surgeon who filed down the bone spur. This did nothing except increase the amount of pain I was in. He didn't even give me a pain killer. About three to four weeks later the bone spur fell out on its own and less than a week after that the pain was gone. Cost: $2300. This last time, I didn't go to the dentist. I used an OTC oral anesthetic and sore throat spray on the area to numb it, took Aleve when the pain was more than the locals could control and after three to four weeks, the bone spur fell out on its own yesterday. The residual pain is now getting better. Cost: less than $20.|
|Boris 8 January 12|
|I have been having the same problems. Mine started on the top right side above my back molars. There were 3 huge boney lumps that after a few days turned into ulcers. Then as the swelling went down, the bone started to push through. It hurt so badly. I went to the dentist and he shaved a bunch of it down. Then a few weeks later I got another one in front of the back two that had been shaved down. I saw a bunch of different dentists because none of them knew what to do or what it was. Then finally I went to an oral surgeon. He had never seen it before either. He just keeps giving me pain medication which seems to totally help, but then I got two more on the left side now. It has been over 6 weeks and they will NOT heal. I have no idea what to do. It is very frustrating. My jaw is killing me. A few days ago, the second one I got on the right side, a few huge pieces of bone came out of it. It was bleeding and hurt so so badly. Now there is just a hole, a very painful hole. I wish someone knew what was causing this and how to stop it. I am so afraid I am going to get more. NO ONE knows what the hell to do.|
|Jenna A. September 7 7 September 11|
|I'll add to this thread because I found it with a google search trying to diagnose my own exposed-bone-under-ulcer problem. What started like any other ulcer (and I get a lot of them) soon became swelling of my gum and some lymph node enlargement in my neck. When the bone finally broke through a little bit the swelling started to go down, and I waited it out, still expecting that surely it was due to heal itself any day now. After about 3 weeks the bone breakthrough seemed to be getting bigger instead of smaller. Today, finally seeing a dentist about it, he removed a split-pea sized piece of bone that had actually broken off under the skin and worked it's way to the surface. There was no infection. X-rays looked fine. There may never have even been an ulcer like I thought originally. He didn't say the bone remodeling was due to grinding or anything else serious, but didn't have a good explanation for it either. Either way, it seems bone exposure is not normal, and indicates something more than a routine ulceration.|
|Jay 23 August 11|
|Yes, a mouth guard is the same thing as a bite splint and it serves the same purpose. Apparently I grind my teeth at night and I didnít even know it. This has been causing some jaw bone growth that eventually breaks through the tissue in my mouth, then causing a sore, then causing an infection, and so on, and so on. I am ashamed to say it, but I have a bad habit of chewing on pencils and pens at work. I guess Iím a little high strung. But anyway, I have stopped doing that and I think I wonít have any more problems. Thanks for your website.|
|Karen 13 May 04|
|Is the mouth guard the same as a bite splint ? Whatever it is, I hope it works for you.|
|Dom Walton 2 May 04|
|come back and tells us what it may be|
Yes,that dentist is nuts if he thinks something like that is not serious.I would go to the ER and demand an exray of my mouth or an MRI something
these damn doctors donít want to work,they just want to pass you around one to another so everyone gets rich and you are the one suffering in the meantime..QUACKS!
|Gail 1 May 04|
|I wanted to thank you and update you. I went to the oral surgeon and my problem it seems is not related to ulcers after all. Itís a weird bone growth problem because I apparently grind my teeth. I have to get a mouth guard, and NOT have any more oral surgery. He said that was the wrong course of treatment for the first two. Anyway, mystery solved and I shouldnít have any more once I get the guard to prevent grinding my teeth at night. Thanks so much for all the help. You have a great website that helps a lot of people.|
|Karen 1 May 04|
|My dentist finally is sending me to an oral surgeon. I go this week. I (and the dentist) are thinking that this has more to do with some weird kind of bone growth in my mouth instead of ulcers. Although, it does seem to start as an ulcer. Either way, I am anxious to find out what the specialist says. Thanks!|
|Karen 12 April 04|
|I personally havenít had any blistering - mucous retention cysts look like little bubbles... http://www.dentistry.bham.ac.uk/cal/stlesions/stltn42.htm - could it be an ulcer-cyst combo ? Whatever it is you have, clearly needs some sort of treatment, I hope you manage to find someone that knows exactly what it should be.|
|Dom Walton 6 April 04|
|Quick question. Do the ulcers frequently come along with an infected area surrounding it, like a blister that has liquid in it? The one that I am currenlty suffering with, and the previous two, all have developed an infection in the surrounding gum tissue, resulting in a lot of swelling and I can feel liquid squishing around under the tissue when I rub it with my tongue.|
|Karen 3 April 04|
|Will do. Thanks so much for this web sit. I feel better now just knowing that there are so many other people that have had similar problems. From the sounds of it, Iíll be lucky if I donít end up having these over and over. Some of these folks here on the message board suffer horribly with them. Iíll continue to check in. Thanks so much!|
|Karen 28 March 04|
|I guess the obvious thing is to go to your doctor and see what he thinks it is. Clearly something needs to be done to stop the ulcer from growing - Kenalog/Adcortyl and Gengigel spring to mind, but do get another opinion first. Iíd recommend avoiding harsh toothpastes and mouthwashes i the meantime.|
Good luck, and let us know how you get on.
|Dom Walton 28 March 04|
|No treatment so far for the ulcers other than to go to the dentist when the exposed bone becomes apparent. I had never had a mouth ulcer before so I didnít really know what it was and was even a little uncertain of his diagnosis of an ulcer at first. He says that itís not uncommon for peoples bone in their mouth to continue to ĒgrowĒ and ĒchangeĒ and apparently mine is. But he has had to remove two pieces of exposed bone now, one on either side of my jaw under my tongue (the bone that your teeth sit in, but the teeth are not effected). Anyway, a third ĒsoreĒ is developing on the gum area covering the bone on the ĒcheekĒ side of my teeth. Itís hard to explain. |
I take Advair, an asthma medication that is inhaled. I have been very irresponsible in that I do not rinse my mouth each time. Apparently, it CAN cause mouth ulcers. I spoke to the pharmacist today and will be certain to start doing that from now on. But my main concern is whether or not anyone else has ever had an ulcer so bad that it eats away to the bone? I asked him if I needed to be concerned about cancer or anything like that, and he assured me that I did not. What kind of specialist would I see about this third one that is coming up? I want to make darn sure my dentist knows what the heck he is talking about. Thanks so much for writing back to me!
|Karen 27 March 04|
|Iíd call it a BIG DEAL and seek a second opinion. What medications or treatments have you tried so far ?|
|Dom Walton 27 March 04|
|I have had two ulcers recenlty in my mouth. Both resulted in exposed bone that had to be cut away by the dentist. It starts as a regular ulcer, then it eats away the gum tissue until the bone beneath it is exposed and has to be removed. Has this ever happened to you? I have another one starting now and I think I need to see a specialist. The dentist says itís no big deal, but I think I need a second opinion.|
|Karen 27 March 04|
Exposed Bone Under Ulcer?38 messages in this subject.